Beverton Avenue : SHAME ON YOU !

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Post by Tom01 » 22 May 2020, 20:33

I cannot believe the goings-on in “Beverton avenue” during these restrictive times. Is it only me, should we not be adhering
to the guidance of the HSE & government during Covid19?
This is what I have observed during the past few weeks (I will not name, but use first name initials)
“S” has his girlfriend to call over and stay the night, and to call on other nights.
The mother of “S” has a night out and declares the next day that she had a great night out and it was ages since she had a night out.
“P” has person (not main resident) called to house to cut hair.
“P” has people dropped off via car (again not main residents), people get out of car, hug and kiss driver and enter P’s house.
I have witnessed much more , but it makes me so angry when I think of the effort we are all making. Who the hell do these people think they are, and what planet are they from? SHAME ON YOU!

As an end note : A very nice gentleman stopped to talk me, and a pleasant conversation was bartered. On exchange of names, the gentleman offered to shake my hand. I had to remind him “we do not shake hands anymore “. What sad times we live in.

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Post by Mr. Stupid » 22 May 2020, 22:36

Possibly the most annoying thing about the lock down is when you are making an effort and you see your neighbours take the complete p*ss. It's happening all over the country. For some, it's summer holidays kids out playing on the green. Nothing will make them change their mind unless someone very close to them ends up in ICU directly because of their actions

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Post by Mamal » 24 May 2020, 23:58

My next door neighbour stood out and clapped for the front line workers. 3 weeks later he was breaking lock in and back out in the van doing building work in week 5. Claiming the 300 quid at the same time more than likely. Underwhelmed I was.

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Post by BateBoy » 25 May 2020, 10:35

And Tom spent the week spying on his neighbours.

"S" has his girlfriend over - what is your suggestion here? He shouldn't see his girlfriend for months on end?

"S's mother" had a night out, let's hang her, did she go and see her sister? her mother? I am sure you probably followed her, so please, fill us in.

Exactly what 'effort' are you making that makes you so special and gives you the right to judge others?

The government have created a legion of CoronaNazis, brainwashed into thinking that this 'killer virus' is out to get everyone, the real problem here is that our hospitals are rubbish, the healthcare system is rubbish and the government is absolutely directionless.

Since the 4th April we have been promised 100,000 tests a week, to date 295,000 or, not even 3 weeks worth of the promised tests. Now, we are being told that the number of tests is not important anymore.

We were told initially that face masks did absolutely nothing to protect us and that people should not wear them because not knowing how to use them would INCREASE your risk of contracting the virus. Then we were told there was some evidence that they could offer some assistance in not spreading the disease by containing the virus in an infected persons mask, by all accounts in the newspapers over the weekend, now they are considering making them mandatory in shops and public transport.

Kids are vectors, super spreaders, carriers and should be kept isolated from each other and from their grandparents. Now, it turns out that they aren't any of these things, but Dr Holohan and his buddies desperately cling to 'lack of evidence', and 'inconclusive reports' to perpetuate their line of lockdown. What about the countries that never closed their schools? or those that have reopened them without detrimental effect?

How many deaths were there in the first quarter of 2019, or 2018 compared to 2020? The CDC now tells us that the actual mortality rate of coronavirus based on their 'best estimate' is is 0.004%. Not exactly the 3-4% that the governments 'modelling experts' predict.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... arios.html

We need to open our eyes and stop blindly accepting everything that we are being told without question. The same people that are telling you to lock yourself away, to spy on your neighbours, to rant about the woman in the supermarket, that you cant have a drink in a pub until August are the same people that cannot agree on forming a government - maybe because the status quo suits them?

So Tom, the next time you feel like spying on your neighbours and partially naming and shaming them on this forum, maybe open a newspaper and critically review what's in there, ask yourself, is all this a good idea? Is it viable? is it turning people against each other? Is it worth it? Is the economic damage going to be worth it?

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Post by midsomermurderer » 25 May 2020, 11:36

I see Gemma O'Doherty has joined the forum. :roll:

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Post by Shippie » 25 May 2020, 11:46

This is such a pathetic post. You live your life, let others live theirs...

The virus isn't going to kill any of us and your neighbours socialising will increase as the restrictions get eased more and more.... Get usedto it, if you don't like it, stay home. its the only to guarantee you're safe.

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Post by midsomermurderer » 25 May 2020, 12:28

Shippie wrote:
25 May 2020, 11:46
This is such a pathetic post. You live your life, let others live theirs...

The virus isn't going to kill any of us and your neighbours socialising will increase as the restrictions get eased more and more.... Get usedto it, if you don't like it, stay home. its the only to guarantee you're safe.
Wait...what?!

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Post by Shippie » 25 May 2020, 13:07

well, its not going to kill healthy people..

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne ... rus-deaths

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Post by Mr. Stupid » 25 May 2020, 13:13

BateBoy wrote:
25 May 2020, 10:35
So Tom, the next time you feel like spying on your neighbours and partially naming and shaming them on this forum, maybe open a newspaper and critically review what's in there, ask yourself, is all this a good idea? Is it viable? is it turning people against each other? Is it worth it? Is the economic damage going to be worth it?
I share Tom's frustrations here. The government, HSE (and WHO) have asked us to follow a few simple rules and some people don't like them so think they can do whatever they want and put other people's lives as risk. A quick reminder why these guidelines exist:
* save people's life's
* we have limited capacity in ICU
* it is unfair to our health workers who put themselves at risks on the front line
* it's miserable to those families who have had to endure this, who can't even be beside their loved ones.
* the more we stick to them the quicker the virus will go and we can return to more normality

It is not just elderly people at risk. Anyone with a lung disease, diabetics, asthma, copd, etc... It is also been linked with severe inflammatory disease in children, Kawasaki. And that's just people who are more at risk. Anyone can catch it and sadly not be able to defeat it.

We have no vaccine, no cure and won't for a while.

Have you seen the Pamela Orlando video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX5npoypszA

She did that to educate people.

May she rest in peace.

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Post by Sunny » 25 May 2020, 13:39

God, I understand that people are bored but the amount of curtain twitching and judging going on by people is just tiresome. Unless you impose martial law, there will always be people who push boundaries or ignore the rules. That's life. Coming on line to bitch about neighbours that sometimes the girlfriend stays the night. Sometimes she just calls. Someone had a night out which could have involved social distancing in a garden is judged.

You are only responsible for yourself. Its all you can do. Unless you want to set up a hotline where you can report people and get them interned or something. Otherwise stop using this site to report naughty neighbours using stupid initials.

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Post by BateBoy » 25 May 2020, 13:52

midsomermurderer wrote:
25 May 2020, 11:36
I see Gemma O'Doherty has joined the forum. :roll:
:o I'm not Gemma O'Doherty, but I am intelligent enough to question things that make no sense, to question half truths and political spin. You managed to answer the post, but carefully chose to ignore the all of the points I raised, instead you just said "Witch!!! Witch!! Burn her!!"

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Post by BateBoy » 25 May 2020, 14:13

Mr. Stupid wrote:
25 May 2020, 13:13
BateBoy wrote:
25 May 2020, 10:35
So Tom, the next time you feel like spying on your neighbours and partially naming and shaming them on this forum, maybe open a newspaper and critically review what's in there, ask yourself, is all this a good idea? Is it viable? is it turning people against each other? Is it worth it? Is the economic damage going to be worth it?
I share Tom's frustrations here. The government, HSE (and WHO) have asked us to follow a few simple rules and some people don't like them so think they can do whatever they want and put other people's lives as risk. A quick reminder why these guidelines exist:
* save people's life's
* we have limited capacity in ICU
* it is unfair to our health workers who put themselves at risks on the front line
* it's miserable to those families who have had to endure this, who can't even be beside their loved ones.
* the more we stick to them the quicker the virus will go and we can return to more normality

It is not just elderly people at risk. Anyone with a lung disease, diabetics, asthma, copd, etc... It is also been linked with severe inflammatory disease in children, Kawasaki. And that's just people who are more at risk. Anyone can catch it and sadly not be able to defeat it.

We have no vaccine, no cure and won't for a while.

Have you seen the Pamela Orlando video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX5npoypszA

She did that to educate people.

May she rest in peace.
Yes, lets take a look at these facts Mr Stupid:

* save people's life's - I am all on for that, but none of the 'modelling' around the world has been accurate, as proved by the CDC saying that the lethality of the virus is 0.0004%

* we have limited capacity in ICU - yes but we should have lots more by now, 9 weeks of inactivity and ineptitude from the HSE means that we are still floundering, we can buy 2nd rate PPE no problemo, but the stuff we need? Not so much. I can categorically state that no-one working in admin for the HSE would get a job in the private sector. No-one.

* it is unfair to our health workers who put themselves at risks on the front lineAgain, ask the health workers, they feel that this is their job, no need to clap, this is what we do - day in, day out. The would like to have sufficient PPE and maybe a decent rate of pay.

* it's miserable to those families who have had to endure this, who can't even be beside their loved ones.
- how are the two connected?


* the more we stick to them the quicker the virus will go and we can return to more normality
- the virus is not going to "go" anywhere. That is the whole point, its here, its here to stay, we will not get a vaccine in less that a few years, we might get an effective treatment, but we would be far better dealing with the virus than hiding in our houses.

You are right about it not being just elderly people at risk. 90% of deaths in this country are people over the age of 65, of the rest, three had no "diagnosed" underlying conditions, meaning that they probably had something wrong with them, but never had it diagnosed.

So, we are all locked up, economy and years and years of hard work to recover after the crash of 10 years back crumbling around our ears. To what end, to protect the elderly and the vulnerable? Would it not make more sense to isolate them and let the healthier folk get on about keeping the country going with a few taxes and work on solutions for the vulnerable - up to and including a gas mask? whatever is needed that is not total lockdown which absolutely ridiculous. Normally one would quarantine the sick, not the entire population. Look back at this post in 1 year and you will see that we took the wrong course of action - again.

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Post by Ken » 25 May 2020, 14:28

Leaving Gemma O'Doherty aside who's a nutter for lots of reasons, I think it's good to have healthy debate around the restrictions.

It's possible that the restrictions are a victim of their own success. There's no doubt that we're seeing nothing close to the numbers projected. We only have to look to Italy, Spain, and Brazil to see how bad it can be.

Given that we're in a good place, I hope that consideration will be given to opening things quicker. The impact on the economy and small businesses is huge. Even with the current social distancing measures in place, it's not viable for many pubs, restaurants, and cafes to open.
Regards,

Ken.

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Post by Mr. Stupid » 25 May 2020, 14:38

"0.0004%"??? 1,608 have past away in Ireland. If that only represent 0.0004 percent, then 402 million‬ have had the virus in Ireland alone. That's considerably more than the amount of people who live here.

As for your public sector bashing and your lack of sympathy for families?

People are currently putting their own health on the line to save anyone they can without judgement. They just do it.
Go off and read Nietzsche and convince yourself you are right. Fair play.

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Post by Vlad the Impaler » 25 May 2020, 18:06

Deaths are reported as people ‘with’ Covid 19.

Many if not most of these are deaths due to an underlying condition and not directly as a result of Covid 19.

Around 0.04 percent of deaths in the population are due solely to the disease.

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Post by Mamal » 25 May 2020, 18:46

Perhaps the guidance that everyone followed strictly in the first few weeks has led to the low relative numbers achieved in Ireland and therefore the advice of Government, scientists and health professionals has been valid.

I think the ultimate point being made here is that we are in a first phase of reopening however many people seem to take it upon themselves to flout advice and not socially distance at all anymore.

Are we to praise that behaviour? IMO no. Are we to question it. I think we've a right and this is a community board that allows those feelings to be expressed.

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Post by Sunny » 25 May 2020, 18:49

So basically if you have slept with your girlfriend, given someone a hug or had an enjoyable night somewhere outside your house, you are a murderer or else you just want to kill old people and healthcare workers....

Nothing like balance.....

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Post by Mamal » 25 May 2020, 18:58

You're not a murderer directly.

But you've made a choice to ignore Government and Health guidelines in a time of national crisis that most of society has followed.

Only you can decide how that sits with you.

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Post by Mr. Stupid » 25 May 2020, 19:26

Vlad the Impaler wrote:
25 May 2020, 18:06
Deaths are reported as people ‘with’ Covid 19.

Many if not most of these are deaths due to an underlying condition and not directly as a result of Covid 19.

Around 0.04 percent of deaths in the population are due solely to the disease.
That's wrong..

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Post by fred » 25 May 2020, 19:42

This post worries me a little as I’m sure people who live on that road could easily figure out who these people are from their initials..that just seems wrong!

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Post by Sunny » 25 May 2020, 20:38

Mamal wrote:
25 May 2020, 18:58
You're not a murderer directly.

But you've made a choice to ignore Government and Health guidelines in a time of national crisis that most of society has followed.

Only you can decide how that sits with you.
I haven't done anything. I dont live there. I have adhered to every restriction in place. Haven't worked, used public transport and we haven't seen families in months. My only child hasn't played with another child in months. I have done everything asked of me.

But I also dont go around judging my neighbours if I see them do something I wouldn't do. I dont know enough what is going on in their lives. And even if they are just being selfish and meeting people it is nothing to do with me. It's their choice. The vast vast majority made the choices that have led to today and no deaths. But the constant desire of people to judge others, act superior, go on like it is only them making a sacrifice is just annoying. Things are bad enough with otherwise normal people and neighbours spying on each other looking for bad behaviours.

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Post by Zo123 » 25 May 2020, 22:05

Again we have people trying to police others behaviour. There is no point whinging about it online. Moderate your own actions. You can't control what other people do.

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Post by midsomermurderer » 26 May 2020, 16:06

BateBoy wrote:
25 May 2020, 14:13
Mr. Stupid wrote:
25 May 2020, 13:13
BateBoy wrote:
25 May 2020, 10:35
So Tom, the next time you feel like spying on your neighbours and partially naming and shaming them on this forum, maybe open a newspaper and critically review what's in there, ask yourself, is all this a good idea? Is it viable? is it turning people against each other? Is it worth it? Is the economic damage going to be worth it?
I share Tom's frustrations here. The government, HSE (and WHO) have asked us to follow a few simple rules and some people don't like them so think they can do whatever they want and put other people's lives as risk. A quick reminder why these guidelines exist:
* save people's life's
* we have limited capacity in ICU
* it is unfair to our health workers who put themselves at risks on the front line
* it's miserable to those families who have had to endure this, who can't even be beside their loved ones.
* the more we stick to them the quicker the virus will go and we can return to more normality

It is not just elderly people at risk. Anyone with a lung disease, diabetics, asthma, copd, etc... It is also been linked with severe inflammatory disease in children, Kawasaki. And that's just people who are more at risk. Anyone can catch it and sadly not be able to defeat it.

We have no vaccine, no cure and won't for a while.

Have you seen the Pamela Orlando video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX5npoypszA

She did that to educate people.

May she rest in peace.
Yes, lets take a look at these facts Mr Stupid:

* save people's life's - I am all on for that, but none of the 'modelling' around the world has been accurate, as proved by the CDC saying that the lethality of the virus is 0.0004%

* we have limited capacity in ICU - yes but we should have lots more by now, 9 weeks of inactivity and ineptitude from the HSE means that we are still floundering, we can buy 2nd rate PPE no problemo, but the stuff we need? Not so much. I can categorically state that no-one working in admin for the HSE would get a job in the private sector. No-one.

* it is unfair to our health workers who put themselves at risks on the front lineAgain, ask the health workers, they feel that this is their job, no need to clap, this is what we do - day in, day out. The would like to have sufficient PPE and maybe a decent rate of pay.

* it's miserable to those families who have had to endure this, who can't even be beside their loved ones.
- how are the two connected?


* the more we stick to them the quicker the virus will go and we can return to more normality
- the virus is not going to "go" anywhere. That is the whole point, its here, its here to stay, we will not get a vaccine in less that a few years, we might get an effective treatment, but we would be far better dealing with the virus than hiding in our houses.

You are right about it not being just elderly people at risk. 90% of deaths in this country are people over the age of 65, of the rest, three had no "diagnosed" underlying conditions, meaning that they probably had something wrong with them, but never had it diagnosed.

So, we are all locked up, economy and years and years of hard work to recover after the crash of 10 years back crumbling around our ears. To what end, to protect the elderly and the vulnerable? Would it not make more sense to isolate them and let the healthier folk get on about keeping the country going with a few taxes and work on solutions for the vulnerable - up to and including a gas mask? whatever is needed that is not total lockdown which absolutely ridiculous. Normally one would quarantine the sick, not the entire population. Look back at this post in 1 year and you will see that we took the wrong course of action - again.
I think I'll follow the lead of the WHO on this one.

In the words of Dr. Richard Hatchett:

"This is the most frightening disease I've ever encountered in my career."

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Post by Pip » 26 May 2020, 16:42

Shippie wrote:
25 May 2020, 13:07
well, its not going to kill healthy people..

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne ... rus-deaths
Shippie, I think that is one of the most selfesh statements I have ever heard. I take it you fit and healthy.

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Post by Sunny » 26 May 2020, 16:47

midsomermurderer wrote:
26 May 2020, 16:06

I think I'll follow the lead of the WHO on this one.

In the words of Dr. Richard Hatchett:

"This is the most frightening disease I've ever encountered in my career."
I am sure the nearly 40m people currently living with HIV/AIDS and the 800000 people who died from HIV related diseases last year will be delighted to know that things could be worse.

This is the worst disease because it has affected every day life in so called wealthy developed countries and not just wiping out thousands of people in the under developed parts of the world world like a lot of diseases.

It is not the worst disease from a clinical or mortality point of view.

And no I am not belittling how serious it is and not seeing the horrible toll it has taken on thousands of families.

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